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Preserving Stored Glycogen

October 9, 2019


Suzanne: so let me back up a little bit and help
people kinda catch up to some of the topics that you’re addressing Jeff, Bob you had mentioned not too long
ago that one of the objectives with metabolic efficiency is training the body to burn more fat so
you can preserve you stored glycogen why is it important to preserve that
glycogen and what happens if you run out of glycogen. Bob: that’s a great question some but
most individuals have about 2-3 hours worth of moderate intensity exercise as to fuel
them or they have enough stores of carbohydrate to fuel 2 to 3 hours of moderate
intese exercise after that your body’s I mean it’s it’s gonna hit
the infamous wall are balking its better days we preserve our
glycogen stores to prolong that now we we typically if we go for three
to four five six plus hours we try to feed ourselves on sugars to
kind a maintain that rates glycogen burning versus
glycogen consumption. Very important that we tap into
those fat stores simply because you can run approximately 10 Iron Mans back to back on the amount of fat stores that you
have and versus 2 to 3 hours worth of activity on
your carbohydrate store so obviously what we’re trying to do is we’re not trying
to play one nutrient against the other we’re
trying to maximize what we already have in our body we try to maximize the
ability to use that and preserve the other one so we don’t
bonk we don’t hit that infamous wall. Suzanne: okay that makes perfect sense and so
hitting the wall that’s where the experience that man fires get the
infamous wallet mile 22 right. Bob: exactly absolutely and you can
calculate the time when does that happen between 2 to 3 hours for most people.
Suzanne: because that’s when the stored glycogen is used up, so now we’re talking
about trying to do you know even an Olympic distance event
let alone a half Iron Man or full Iron Man which is gonna take 6, 7, 11,
15 hours for people so its completely different ball game as
far as at nutrition metabolism. Bob: absolutely.
Suzanne:so there’s an interesting medical condition that triathletes can actually have
learned a lot from and I think this is really interesting
when there are genetic diseases it gives us an opportunity as physicians and also as coaches and athletes to
learn something to make changes on our own by observing what happens in certain disease states. So there’s a
genetic condition called glycogen storage disease and there’s a couple different
variations of it but in these individuals who have glycogen storage disease there unable
to actually stored gycogen so we just have to talk about
glycogen can be stored for 2-3 hours and the body burns low levels glycogen
at rest and then refueling with more carbohydrates in in any form. So these individuals that have this disease have
a real significant health issue with low blood sugar when your blood sugar
drops your body organs can’t function, your brain
can’t function. Varun you have some awesome personal
knowledge about Noah whose, child that has
glycogen storage disease just tell us his story Varun: yeah well first of all just a big
thanks to everyone for having me on here honor to be with nutrition minds like
yourself like Bob and Jeff and Anne Marie appreciate your guys
sharing all your experience so Suzanne you know you kind a get the
background in the context of glycogen storage disease and this is something, a condition that out
founder’s son name is Jona a young kid and he have this condition so it was
very stressful for the family as you can imagine there’s actually a
fascinating documentary on YouTube called life by the clock where
they detail several families and basically what’s happening as their
parents were to every two hours around the clock
forced to feed their kids just regular corn starch because as you is you had mentioned with
that with the characteristics of this condition corn starch was a carbohydrate
that would burn at a slowing enough rate where
it would overwhelm their system because they were unable to convert
you know typical carbohydrates just to simplify things
typical carbohydrate into glucose to give them energy. So on seventies and eighties these kids
were dying at infancy in the nineties hey found that feeding them this corn starch
roughly every two hours day and night would keep their blood sugar stable for
a long enough period of time you know where they could at
least function for couple hours but then they need to go through this cycle again so Jonas family are you know they
were really proactive in early 2008 they set up a foundation I’m sure GSD to raise money
because this disease when I say it’s rare it
only 3000 kids in the US so you know there wasn’t a lot of research in
a lot of knowledge of this condition Jona’s parents were
essentially looking for what they called the world’s best carbohydrate and in the context of the disease the
world’s best carbohydrate would be something that would burn very slowly, would keep blood sugar stable for a
very long period of time and essentially what they were trying to accomplish was
let’s at least find something we can feed our child atnight so you can get eight hours of sleep through
tonight and you know as a family we can have atleast that peaceful period of time so you know the top carbohydrate
research is on the world they ended up looking at rices, tapioca, barley, wheat and basically exhausted every carb source out there and what they eventually found was with
the starting ingredient non-gm0 cornstarch they put it through a very specific
heat moisture process forty hour process where they just cook
it with heat and water no chemicals, no enzymes and this would
actually change the molecular structure of the carbohydrates
so the enzymes I would attack a lot slower ad the carb breakdown slowly over time and you know if Jona’s to take a 75 to 90 grand dose of it before he slept
the night this would keep his blood sugar stable throughout the night so he could sleep
at night. So that was kinda with UCAN that was kind a like UCAN
was born and then you know Jeff talked about being one of the biggest
skeptics out there actually we had no no idea that this was even good for
sports and one of the first guys we contacted was Bob like Jeff was very skeptical so you
know I think it’s always good to contact skeptics you dont want to bother to tell you, yeah what ever you say
is good so. You know that’s kind of the
back story of UCAN and I can let you know others kinda share in the
context the discussion on their experiences with that but
you know that the fundamental idea this carbohydrate is that it stabilizes
blood sugar so at the time we didn’t really have much
much of a knowledge about metabolic efficiency or understand all the dilemmas that you know
Anne Marie’s detail so well about the sugar
spikes and the different issues the athletes go do we have no idea, that was really
something that you know people like Bob and Jeff
and others. You know over the years had really
tipped us off, so that’s really the origins of UCAN and the idea is that it’s a
carbohydrate that behave very differently than other
carbohydrates because it’s keeping blood sugar stable for a prolonged
period of time Suzanne: that’s a fantastic I’d never heard
the information Jona and that which detail before and it’s really fascinating to me I mean
obviously I’m a physician so I really enjoy hearing these types of stories but you know the real life application of it
was just so the family could get eight hours of sleep that’s fantastic.

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